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- The old Sponge House" still lives. It is located
behind the Church of God - Full Gospel Hall - On South Church Street. It was
moved there after the War and used for a school. Also, one of the Germans
was married in Cayman - Dick Arch
- Last week, on the Rooster's talk
show, it was pointed out to the Minister for Health, Mr Gilbert McLean, that
any applicant to Cinico is required to produce letters of refusal from two
other insurance companies. This requirement can be quite frustrating and
onerous to the handicapped. It is also a ridiculous requirement, because the
applicant is asked to apply to two private companies for insurance that s/he
knows they can never get.
Why should an "uninsurable" waste time, effort and money applying to
insurance companies when they already know the answer will be NO?
What may be a simple exercise for a fit person can be an onerous exercise
for a person with a disability. Remember, some of these applicants depend on
others for transport/ money. To apply to an insurance company, requires a
trip to the doctor's office to complete a medical/get a doctor's letter.
Money will be needed to pay the doctor.
It seems to me that proof of disability should be sufficient when applying
to Cinico. A doctor’s letter identifying the applicant's disability should
be sufficient for Cinico.
The Minister agreed that proof of disability should be sufficient and gave
his undertaking that before that day was out (last Wednesday, I think), he
would have investigated this point with Cinico with a view to having this
ridiculous requirement relaxed, especially since Cinico has a defined
application period.
I wonder if Cayman Net News could chase up this point and see if Cinico has
relaxed this requirement or indeed, if the Minister did do anything about it
as he promised he would do.
Remember, Cinico's deadline for accepting applicants is May 31, 2004. We
need to know fairly soon whether Cinico will relax their ridiculous
requirement and accept proof of disability or whether Cinico will persist in
presenting another hurdle in the path of the uninsurables' frustrating drive
to obtaining health insurance .
It is cruelly ironic that the people who need insurance the most are the
ones who can't get it - Direct Current
- I agree totally with Direct
Current about CINICO's requirement being unreasonable and ridiculous. I
think it’s an exercise in futility, really.
What's the point of going through all that rigmarole of applying to private
insurance companies if you have a known disability? Why bother? Private
insurance companies will always answer with a loud No whenever an
uninsurable applies to them for insurance coverage.
Why can't these unfortunate uninsurables be automatically grafted into
CINICO's programme? Government has approx 10,000 people that they are
responsible to provide insurance coverage for. Among that number are civil
servants, pensioners, uninsurables and indigents. The very fact that some
one with a medical disability is on the Government list should be evidence
enough that they are in the class known as uninsurable. No further evidence
required. They should automatically be included in CINICO's programme. If
they choose to leave that programme, then that's up to them.
Then, can some one explain to me why CINICO has a deadline in which one can
apply? Some one may be fine today and in July they may learn they have a
medical problem. Will CINICO tell them, "Sorry we're not accepting any more
applications. Our deadline was May 31, 2004." Please bear in mind that
Sickness does not respect deadlines.
I agree that CINICO is merely erecting further hurdles for the uninsurable
to surmount as they struggle through life. These poor people have to jump
through hoops for everything in their life.....just to prove they are as
good as anyone else. Why did we think CINICO's insurance would be different?
Were we really expecting an insurance company that was committed to serving
its target group with compassion & dignity? Seems like all we have in CINICO
is an insurance company that is consumed with a desire to appease the
competition, rather than providing a compassionate service for the very
people it was set up to serve.
I am very disappointed in CINICO and hope that its ridiculous requirement
will be lifted as soon as possible to allow the uninsurables to move
smoothly from the Government list to CINICO - Juicy Fruit
- I read the article from Juicy
Fruit with great interest, and would just like to mention some positive
experiences I have had with CINICO.
First of all, the closed enrolment period is not really "closed". In fact,
anyone can join all year around, provided they meet the basic requirements.
However, in order to keep premiums low (a very necessary requirement for
those who cannot afford health insurance) certain controls must be put in
place including the proof that a person really is health impaired. This may
sound easy, but it's not.
In any event, I also understand that CINICO has amended it's requirements
for the health impaired, so that ANYONE who can evidence serious illness in
the last 12 months can join CINICO without evidence of being declined from
two approved providers. Furthermore, anyone who becomes sick or turns 60 can
join at any time throughout the year, regardless of the May 31st deadline.
I think we should applaud Government for being proactive in meeting a
desperate need in the Islands and we must bear in mind that in order to keep
premiums at an absolute minimum, certain fiscal constraints have to be put
in place - Anonymous
- Dear Caymanians and
Residents of the Cayman Islands:
My biggest gripe at the moment is health insurance in the Cayman
Islands...we are being ripped off, big time… I thought CINICO would
alleviate some of the stress that uninsurables face, but they are proving to
be just as bad as the private insurance companies, with their ridiculous
requirement and their “band aid coverage."
In a recent meeting with this letter writer, CINICO's manager was very
compassionate and knowledgeable about insurance, both locally and
internationally. I was very impressed with her credentials, international
experience and her courteous open door policy. However, I am NOT impressed
with CINICO's product. The coverage they offer their target groups leave
much to be desired.
First of all, they advertise their requirement of 2 letters of refusals when
an uninsurable applies to CINICO. The anonymous writer above responded to my
earlier letter by saying CINICO relaxed this requirement… I went down to
CINICO only to hear that yes, they can waive this requirement if they are
convinced of the individual's disability and they can accept me with a
doctor's letter as proof of my disability, but my coverage would only extend
to inpatient care. I would still have to pay for my monthly medications and
all outpatient care.
I told their manager that I was interested in a plan that would cover my
monthly medications, dental & optical...in other words...out patient
treatment was my biggest requirement. Why pay $150.00 per month and then
also pay my monthly medication bill and my doctor and dentist's bill as
well? I may as well self-insure, I say. I can get upgraded to Plan 2 in
January, she says… so if I join now, I would only be covered for in patient
care (Plan 1) and when I'm upgraded in Jan., it would cover me for in and
out patient care. She did not go into details of Plan 2, but I'm sure that
has some limits on it as well.
I left that meeting and did some very basic research. Following are some
thoughts that trouble me.
Health insurance coverage is sorely lacking in the Cayman Islands. People
pay for coverage, only to find out at the doctor's office that they have to
pay the first $300.00 before the insurance kicks in (my kids' AETNA plan),
or that their plan only covers inpatient care (many local insurances' basic
plan). This is simply NOT good enough and is not comparable to health
insurance plans offered overseas.
The bottom line is that Government needs to require the insurance companies
to deliver more than they are doing. The plans are outlined in the Health
Insurance Law. Therefore, Government has the opportunity to set in place the
type of coverage local insurances can & will deliver. Why are they passing
up that golden opportunity to obtain the best possible coverage for the
people of the Cayman Islands? Why leave it to the insurance companies, who
are focused on the bottom line?
Another serious point: Government needs to require that insurance companies
stop discriminating against people who have a medical problem… insurance
companies are turning people away who are 20 lbs overweight or who have a
sinus problem… trivial matters. They can't get away with that in the USA or
UK, why are we allowing them to get away with murder here in Cayman? People
need to challenge the insurance companies more in Cayman… their refusals can
be appealed. How many people in Cayman are aware of this?
Also, when a consumer company is shopping for health insurance for their
employees, they can demand certain things. In Cayman, people meekly accept
what the insurance company offers, rather than holding out for what they
want. For example, a consumer company may have 30 employees… 29 may be
perfectly healthy and 1 may have a health problem. The insurance company
will refuse coverage for the 1 employee who is health impaired and offer
coverage for the 29 healthy ones. In a situation like that, the consumer
company should hold out for coverage of all 30 employees or go elsewhere. If
all of the consumer companies played hard ball in this way, we would see a
serious change in attitude in the local insurance industry.
Many people overseas are appalled at what insurance companies are allowed to
get away with in Cayman.
I've concluded that these insurance companies can get away with these
atrocities here because people do not speak up or challenge them or appeal
their decisions… certain practices would definitely NOT be tolerated in
other countries.
Sorry to be so long winded, but this cause is very near and dear to my
heart… and it affects us all.
Contact the Health Minister and ask him to demand more from the local
insurance companies… and from CINICO.
If CINICO is to truly fulfill its purpose, it has to do more than it is
currently doing in the way of insurance coverage. Also, if indeed CINICO's
ridiculous requirement has been relaxed, then they should amend their
advertisement to reflect that amendment.
The people of the Cayman Islands require more in insurance coverage from the
private insurance companies… and from CINICO - Direct Current
- Can anyone help please? I am
trying to find an old friend of mine who I think is still on Grand Cayman
working in a restaurant. The name is Chris Weaver, from the U.K. We worked
together on the island in early nineties. Any help would be great. Thanks -
Colin Howlett
- Editor’s note: If any of our readers can help Mr
Howlett, we will be happy to pass on letters or e-mails. Send them to us at
PO Box 10707 APO or caymanet@candw.ky
- Maybe this is where we are headed
also:
When watching the corporate-dominated media in America, any intelligent
observer suffers inevitable anguish and disgust. All major media are
essentially the same in terms of personnel, format, even timing of subject
matter in each broadcast. Whether male or female, white, black, or of some
other ethic ancestry, media broadcasters are virtual clones of one another.
Personnel are well-dressed and impeccably groomed, handsome in appearance
and all trained to use certain gestures, including facial expressions and
nods of the head to imply knowingness and understanding. But once the
tongues start to move and the words are heard, it becomes very clear that
the minds of media broadcasters are so shallow as to be almost comical.
Thus, "war on terror" is never questioned, even though any intelligent
person just screams for answers. How is it that Americans can launch bombs
from missiles and submarines into populated areas and kill civilians without
being classed as terrorists, while Palestinian martyrs are terrorists when
they attach bombs to their own bodies or vehicles to defend themselves
against illegal Israeli occupation? The well-groomed media pundits and
broadcasters are not trained to think of such matters, or as questions in
that regard.
How is it that the U.S. could recruit, fund, and train Islamist fighters
from around the entire Muslim world to fight the Russian occupation of
Afghanistan, and yet complain when Muslim jihadists come to Iraq to defend
their faith in that country against America's illegal occupation?
Why is it so hard to understand the bombing of the U.N. offices in Baghdad,
when the U.N sponsored sanctions against Iraqi civilians for over a decade,
leading to the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives? Why
can the American media never bring itself to analyze that issue?
Why does the media not even begin to question the Alabama judge who claims
to be a Christian who is so obsessed with the Ten Commandments, when Christ
said he came to fulfill the Law Covenant and thus made the Ten Commandments
obsolete and no longer part of Christian doctrine?
Why are Israeli and American armed forces allowed to kill at will, to
execute alleged enemies without any proof of guilt? Why do so-called
"terrorists" not even have to be proved to be guilty of terrorism? How can
the U.S. media fail to question the moral rightness of killing people by
simply declaring them to be terrorists, and even pulling them from intensive
care units of hospitals, as the Israelis have now done?
Why does the media not question the irrationality of the Bush
Administration's so-called "environmental" policies for the National
Forests, which policies advocate cutting down forests in order to save them
from fire, including selling off the most fire-resistant trees to pay for
thinning the small tinder that causes fires to spread rapidly? Why cannot
the media see through the shallowness of cutting down forests to make them
"healthy"?
Why is the media still acquiescent to the idea that removing Saddam Hussein
from power was "a good idea" or "the right thing to do", when there is no
evidence that he was in a position to harm the U.S., and when more
importantly, the U.S. and Britain are using Saddam-like tactics of killing
armed insurgents?
Why was it wrong for Saddam to kill insurgents, using American weapons of
mass destruction when the U.S. made those weapons available to him, and yet
the U.S. can use any weapon in their own formidable arsenal to stifle Iraqi
dissent in the aftermath of the "war of liberation"
The media is blind, and it is deaf, and without a doubt, it is dumb! The
media broadcasters are good looking, well-dressed, well-coifed, and ignorant
as can be. They have no ability to question authority, because they cannot
think critically. The closest the media broadcasters come to thinking
critically is deciding which makeup to wear, and which tie goes with which
suit, or which lipstick to wear with which outfit.
No wonder the American public is uninformed! There is essentially no basis
on which the masses of American citizenry can become informed on critical
issues of the day. And of course, the corporations and their government want
it to be that way, and cause it to be that way - Joseph (Lebbie) Yates
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